[2], The earliest dated new manufacture, second pattern regulation police holster is 1929. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. Pictured is the holster used with the 1950s Bahnpolizei FN 1922 pistol, separate and together with pistol. It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. The L.Z.A. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . Condition:--not specified . Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. luger1. (communications training If you are looking for something similarly long, RIA has a Farsi-marked Persian contract Mauser Artillery Luger with an 8-inch barrel. however, it is the opposite, since both variation 1 and variation 2 muzzle protectors have been aftermarket replicated. Spain controlled two small mountainous sections of Northern Morocco that were separated by a bay. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping (Bavarian) State Police. Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. WaAJL16. Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and the two-piece muzzle protector assembly over the barrel sight band/blade, then Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. There is one unusual barrel sight band/block/blade condition will not allow the attachment of the variation 2 muzzle protector to fit over the P.08 barrel. ERFURT LUGER 1920/1917 POLICE REWORK - C40363 9mm; 96% blue, 40% straw, very good bore, good grips, 4'' barrel, This is a Police reworked pistol. What am I missing here? cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original Yes it DWM marked but without a chamber date. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. is an identical holster in the collection, 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859. separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who These discussions have taken place by numerous collectors in the pages of. information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued Feedback. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Has been dyed black long ago. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. Apparently, there are other, period German Police Luger wooden box cleaning kits, another example being REINIGUNGSGERTFR PISTOLE = POLIZEI BADEN = although it is not clear as to the date of manufacture is pre or post 1945 as the state of Baden existed prior to 1945 and it wasnt until 1946 that the state of Wurternberg-Baden was formed. introduced sometime in the late 1920s, and later in the early 1930s, many being police acceptance marked on the shaft. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 8 ----------------------------------------------------------. letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just It has the matching last two digits of the serial number in the various other parts. Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. Fr soll an dem inneren Miederausbau mit= arbeiten, die ffentliche Gicherheit, Ordnung und Ruhe frdern und vor allem jedem Brger die Mglichteit geben, seiner sittlichen Bflicht zur Bettigung seiner geistigen und trperlichen Krfte zum Mohle der Gesamtheit zu gengen. Pictured for comparison are two different examples of Artillery holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass studs with demonstrably different shapes and sizes or dimensions. The added cover flap leather keeper strip is correctly attached with single line stitching. Additionally, since the subject holster body attached cleaning rod, cut-back from the original, approximately 230 m/m length to 180 m/m length (or 210 m/m total with the added 30 m/m section) leather pouch/sleeve is original to the holster body, as attested by the original stitching. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. 1374v. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Pistols and Holsters. The results cause us collectors no end of confusion, 78 years later. Pw.B. Luger wooden box cleaning kit. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set. On the grip strap there are the markings L.Me.284. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. The tube is in excellent condition with most . Mfg Part Number. made LP.08 holster, cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. Example 1. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . Police Lugers is a work of research by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker that has taken innumerable hours over five years to tell the tale of the history and evolution of the police in Germany, specifically about their usage of the German P08 (Luger pistol). He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Additionally perplexing and unclear is the reason or purpose for a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster. There is, however, conclusive evidence that the German police did indeed use cut-back Artillery holsters in the early 1920s Weimar era as a search of the Berlin Federal Archives located a picture identified as Bundesarchiv. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- revolutionaries. 1. This is exactly what I believe happened to this holster. Since the first edition was published in February d. Zs. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. There are at least two examples, as of this writing of a cut-back artillery Luger holster, where there is no doubt that a multiple conversion was done for, and specifically assigned to, and marked by the German Police. Only one other example has ever been documented. There are many possible combinations of The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. This set of two is consecutively numbered. J. There was an identical Zeitz marked holster offered for $695 on the web site of a major Luger retailer, however, stating in the description, specifically, that the holster is a WW2 police issue: ">WW2 police issue. II. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859, one of approximately 450 M1908 commercial P.08 Lugers appropriated by the Imperial German army as indicated by the installed sear safety, later assigned to the German NAZI Police per Imperial Lugers by J. Per Weimar Lugers by J. Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? (he Americans actually did the same thing as most American Regiments did not have a "I" Company, but skipped from "H" Company to "J" Company) Constanzo got this one completely wrong, and the marking is definitely from the late '30's not '20s, and please disregard nonsense about the building # assignments. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". And when new information comes out, sometimes "old" information is shown to be wrong. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; BACKGROUND: During the Weimar era, (circa 1919-1933) the largest of the independent German police forces was the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) in the newly established FREISTAAT PREUEN, (Free State/Republic of Prussia), within the Weimar Republic. Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly. Simson & Company - Suhl, Germany&break;4. stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. Erfurt Luger Unit Marking. Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. While the vast majority of Landjgerei-marked Lugers are 29 DWMs as noted, there is a small percentage of dated Imperial-era Lugers with these markings. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. the Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles.The use of these new style police cleaning rods, which coincidently are the last design and use of a wooden barrel handle cleaning rod for the P.08, is described by Sturgess in TBLAP, VIII, C19, pp 1331, 1332 as follows: Most were fitted with bell-shaped brass stops, soft soldered on their shafts, to give the correct length, 130 135mm approximately, for cleaning the barrel of the short P.08 when used with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector) which was then in police service. Over all good condition. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. The gun was converted to a German Police Luger during the Nazi era sometime between 1928, the year of manufacture, and 1934 by adding a sear safety and forward gripstrap Police marking, longitudinally stamped "S.M. this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. Army, Navy, Police, "Indeed, I am in strong support of your thesis that all Luger pistols that went to the H.P contract were produced and delivered by DWM in 1929. Description. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. police issue 7-inch Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and for WWII , Hitler ordered the production of Lugers. To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. 413 or Landjgerei Gumbinnen; view 1 and view 2. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. Pictured is a 1941 dated SCAMBACH & Co BERLIN brown leather police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. Gr soll seine Umtspslichten gewissenhaft erfullen, foll fachlich in seinen Masnahmen, hslich im Bertehr mit dem Publitum sein, aber auch streng gegen offensichtliche Berstsse einschreiten, andererseits alle Unlasse oder gar Uebergriffe vermeiden, durch welche die Stimmung eines erheblichen Teiles der Bevlterung noch mehr gegen die Polizei beeinslusst wird, als es leider schon der Fall ift. Mge auch die zweite Uuslage jedem Polizeibeamten weiterhin ein gutter Fhrer auf dem schwierigen Gebiete des polizeilichen Missens sein. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. Nachr. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, Chapter 4 3rd Reich Police Lugers Chapter 5 DDR Deutsche Volkspolizei (People's Police) Lugers a complete catalog of Police Luger Markings The book has . by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. Thread Tools: Display Modes It worked through various My thanks go to all those who took the time and thought to participate in the discussion, and provided pictures and information for the survey. Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). Thanks for the help. This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. Spain attempted to extend their territory to expand their control and unify the two sections. No Longer Available. WaA107 Auwrter & Bubeck, Stuttgart 1934, no example noted. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). SOLD - 1921 DWM Luger - Police Rework $1,950.00 Availability: Out of stock SKU 89661 - 15966 Next/Previous Description 6/4/21 - This is a nice example of a rare 1921-dated DWM Luger. Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946, other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster, a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. the Treaty of Versailles on German soil. It was slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. Thanks for the help. 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; Hardback with dust cover. Tim. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. 7: 505: . Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. rear threaded section to be rotated clockwise until it is snug against the rear Note the late 1920s and early 1930s Prussian state police brown holsters are Landjgerie and black holsters are Schutzpolizei. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. and shipped to Mauser in the great move of 1930. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. 18: . Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. WWI). Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. In Berlin, the German Police screwed the barrels out and replaced them with 9 mm barrels. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. In fact, the majority of the pistols having a SN between 1v and 524v were produced and proofed in Berlin. German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 PREUEN marked eagle, round belt buckle, gold or silver, has been identified. Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. Luger DWM 1906 Navy, 9mm, 2nd issue. I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. Die neue Polizii, welche grunstzlich fr den Uusendienst bestimmt und uniformiert ift, versieht nicht nur den allgemeinen Sicherheitsdienst, fondern hat auch fr die Frhaltung der Ordnung, Ruhe und Reinlichteit, fr die Bertehrsregelung, fr die uissere heilghaltung der Sonn= und Feiertage, das Gesangenentransportwesen und schlieslich fr die Beachtung der wirtschastsportwesen Grundstze Sorge zu tragen. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. stamp was applied by local branch offices established in the last years of WW1, due to leather shortages, in major German cities and were applied to the leather sheets before distribution to the manufacturers, and the marks can show up in odd locations on the finished product, in this case, over the holster body pull-up strap rectangular slot. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. Item Information. Pistols and Holsters. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. German Army. the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked S.B. Subsequently, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view. Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859. states the following regarding this variation. Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. Can anyone tell me what the Me. The magazine safety is intact, the grips screws haven't been tampered with and overall looks like a pretty decent pistol. Since the HZa used the WaAJt instead of the HZaJt stamp, I would suspect it was a new made item and not a reissued piece. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. III. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. When identified, either gold or silver, some dated and maker marked, these Prussian State Police belt buckles are described as officer belt buckles and this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. which However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. P.08 police Luger pistol, serial number 9140e is stamped on the back as well. The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. Pictured is a 1941 dated OTTO SINDEL BERLIN police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. 1014 stamping is believed to be for Schutzpolizei Erfurt, however, the I. of S.E.I. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. 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